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March 22, 2007

interviews and photos by ELLEN LAND-WEBER
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Throughout the late 1980s and into
the 1990s, HSU art professor Ellen Land-Weber made numerous visits
to Scotia to document life in one of the last company towns in
America through photographs and interviews. Only fragments of
her work have been published; only a fragment of it is published
here. In it, people of Scotia talk about their town and their
company, revealing their pride and their memories of the place,
as well as their concern for its future.
Most of the interviews excerpted here took place in early
1990, a period in the town's history that closely resembles the
present day. The Pacific Lumber Company's takeover by the Houston-based
Maxxam Corporation was only a few years prior; though Maxxam
CEO Charles Hurwitz had allayed people's fears somewhat by investing
in a new power plant, no one was absolutely certain what his
intentions were. Earth First!, an activist group, had been picking
up steam. "Redwood Summer," a months-long series of
protests designed to bring attention to logging practices, was
just around the corner. Several initiatives limiting harvesting
would appear on the California ballot that fall. For the first
time, residents of Scotia began to worry.
Even before Pacific Lumber declared bankruptcy earlier this
year, the company announced that it would be selling off the
town to its occupants -- a bureaucratic headache that would require
intense environmental review, but one that nonetheless stood
to net the company several millions of dollars. Now, with bankruptcy
declared, the subdivision of Scotia is on hold, and no one can
be certain how it will proceed. If the bankruptcy court allows
Pacific Lumber to continue as a business, the company will presumably
reactivate its plans to subdivide the place and sell homes to
its employees. If the company is dismantled -- if creditors are
allowed to foreclose -- the process could get stickier. The banks
that end up with title to the town will almost certainly seek
to maximize their return in any way they can.
Late last year, two local engineering firms hired by the company
and by the City of Rio Dell, which has considered annexing Scotia,
undertook a review of the town's infrastructure and what sort
of investment would be required to bring the town up to snuff.
The company's engineers estimate that the town will require a
minimum of $12.5 million in infrastructure investment if it is
to be subdivided -- already a significant cost, considering what
the town's 274 homes would fetch on the open market. Who will
spend that money? How will they recoup their costs? Will millworkers
continue to live there, or will others move in, taking advantage
of low prices, pretty houses and a few feet of elevation out
of the fog?
Whatever the fate of the town of Scotia, one thing is certain:
The way of life documented by Ellen Land-Weber, in the memories
of town old-timers, is coming to a close. People will still work
in the woods; redwoods will still be felled and milled; kids
will still wander around the small-town streets on summer nights,
holding a Coke bottle and dreaming about the world outside. But
Scotia won't be Scotia anymore. And even back in 1990, in a corner
of their minds, people knew it was coming.
-- Hank Sims
TOWN
Gary Gundlach
Gary Gundlach: I was born here, in the local hospital,
but we never actually lived here. ... But I can always remember
coming out here, and looking at the place now I still have in
my mind's eye visions of this place being so huge and just kind
of awesome.
Ellen Land-Weber: The town?
Gary Gundlach: The town and the mill and the whole
thing. It still does have some character. When you come off the
freeway into here, it's like going into a different time. It
just has a special thing about it.
Ellen Land-Weber: How would you describe what that
special thing is?
Gary Gundlach: Well, character, I guess. Because of
the style of the houses. These are old houses, with the Men's
Club and the Theater, I think, and the museum all out of redwood.
It gives it that look. It has that old-time character. You've
got some Victorian, maybe it's that kind of thing. A kind of
Victorian look, because of the architecture of the buildings
and the layout of the town. I think that everyone who writes
about the place notes all the neat-looking houses and the layout.
Oscar and Polly Dillard
Oscar Dillard: When you walk down the street here,
or down by the shops on the way to work, you hardly pass a face
that you don't know ... I mean, it's that small a town for one
thing, and eventually if people live here you're gonna get to
know who they are, and so that's where you get the comfort of
being at ease with everybody. You see 'em every day, usually.
Ellen Land-Weber: How many houses have you gone through?
Oscar Dillard: This is our fourth house. When we first
lived here, we lived over on Fourth Street, and those homes are
older homes -- actually, the older homes are the smallest homes.
... So then we moved across the street into a little bit bigger
house and it still wasn't big enough. This was as our boys were
getting bigger, you know?
Ellen Land-Weber: How does the company do that? Do
you apply if you want a different house?
Polly Dillard: When we first moved to town, yeah, we
had to apply. ... We were paying like $50 a month rent. That
was including our electric and water, you know? The house across
the street had a little bit bigger living room and a lot bigger
kitchen. I think we only paid like $65 there.
Jeff and Sherrin Ericksen
Ellen Land-Weber: I can't get over how well-kept the
community is.
Jeff Ericksen: It's nice. I don't think there's any
other place like this. I really don't. I don't know of any other
place that takes as good of care of their people as PL does.
It's one of the few company towns left. But it's changed. When
I was growing up, I knew everybody. Now, I see people and I don't
even know if they live in town or not. It's because of the turnover;
there's so many younger people coming in.
Brian and Linda Franklin
Linda Franklin: I grew up in Rio Dell. There's a big
difference between Rio Dell and Scotia, and I definitely would
choose Scotia over Rio Dell.
Ellen Land-Weber: What's the big difference?
Linda Franklin: It's cleaner and quieter ... I don't
want to sound really down on the people, but you have more welfare
people that live in Rio Dell. Here in Scotia, it seems that everyone's
basically on the same level and it's a good place for children
to grow up. ... Here you don't see kids hanging all over the
streets and stuff like you do in Rio Dell. That's all you see.
FAMILY
Oscar and Polly Dillard
Oscar Dillard: We've had a good life. My dad worked
in the sawmill all his life, and he had a good life. Not to say
there aren't other good lives out there. I'm all for someone
who wants to try something else. In a situation like now ...
had things stayed the way I hoped they would, I wouldn't be worried
about my sons needing to learn something else. But now I feel
they both need to learn everything they can about anything else
besides working in the mills, because you can have that job five
years or 10 years or you may not have one next year.
Polly Dillard: Our oldest son feels so secure here,
but we have to say, "You know, Bill, maybe you shouldn't
be buying a new truck." And he'll say, "Why, Mom? There's
nothing gonna happen." But a lot of these young people don't
or can't see what's coming. They're so secure here. They've got
jobs now. They don't worry about it. It's like everything's going
to be fine, but believe me, there's going to be people right
here in town that won't even have enough money to live on. They've
got large families and they don't think that's what's going to
happen, but that's exactly what it's going to be.
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Houses in Scotia, Calif.

B Street overlooking Mill B.

The view from 'green chain.'

Billy and Collyn Dillard.

Untitled.

Coffee shop, Scotia, Calif.
![photo of Mill pond behind Winema [Theater] and company garage.](CVR-guy_at_log_pond.jpg)
Mill pond behind Winema [Theater] and company garage.

Pacific Lumber Co. saw shop.

Mill pond and Scotia.
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Billy and Collyn Dillard
Billy Dillard: When you're a kid, it's like,
"Oh, man, I've gotta move out of this place. I can't stand
it! I want to go down south!" Then you go down there and
you realize that there's just as much to do up here -- probably
more than there is to do down there, because it costs so much
to live down there. If you don't have the money, if you're not
making the money, you can't do all these things.
Collyn Dillard: I remember when we moved
to San Luis Obispo and you were so upset because people wouldn't
wave at you. The people he worked with on the job site doing
plumbing, he said he'd wave to them and he'd get mad because
they wouldn't wave back. That really upset you. Because they
were so unfriendly, and he wasn't used to that. And now I always
ask him, "Who was that? Who was that?" And he says,
"I don't know -- they waved so I waved back."
Ellen Land-Weber: So, did you meet in high
school? You must have met in high school.
Billy Dillard: Yeah, in our junior year.
Ellen Land-Weber: And you got married right
after high school?
Collyn Dillard: A year after high school,
right after we graduated.
Ellen Land-Weber: How did you feel about
moving to Scotia?
Collyn Dillard: Well, at the time I was
excited because I wanted a house with a yard ... and we were
paying $210 a month for a dinky little apartment with no garage,
no yard, no pets, and I wanted to move to Scotia. [But] before
we got married, I thought, "I don't want to live in Scotia."
Ellen Land-Weber: Why?
Collyn Dillard: I don't know. I guess at
the time I kind of felt, maybe, it may have been because Billy
grew up in Scotia, and I never knew anybody who lived in Scotia
before I met Billy. At the time I felt -- we're talking about
an 18-year-old, now -- like they were kind of cliquish or something.
But that's not how it is at all. Everybody's really friendly
and outgoing.

KIDS
Brian and Linda Franklin
Brian Franklin: Uptown has always been the
nicer part of town.
Linda Franklin: The pond smells. You can't
even park your car in front of the house, either, some of those
houses down there. To me, the houses are too close together.
Brian Franklin: They have alleys down there,
and it tends to be dusty in the summer. I lived down there most
of my life, and there was always a rivalry between the kids downtown
and the kinds uptown. We used to have football games and stuff
-- all the downtown kids against the uptown kids. Kids from downtown
always tended to be a lot tougher. When I was growing up, they
tended to be a lot tougher.
Ellen Land-Weber: Why do you think that
is?
Brian Franklin: I think we played on the
river bar and were a lot more outgoing, whereas with these kids
up here... Of course, we all went to school together and stuff,
but most of their parents worked in the office, and different
jobs like that. They couldn't get their clothes dirty, and that
sort of thing.
Linda Franklin: The higher-class people
live uptown and the lower-class people lived downtown, it seemed
like.
Jeff and Sherrin Ericksen
Ellen Land-Weber: What did you do to amuse
yourself when you were growing up?
Jeff Ericksen: It could get boring. You
know, there's not much to do, especially in the summer. What
I'd do is walk to the store and get a Coke or something and sit
in front of the post office and watch cars drive by. My friends
and me liked to watch the tourists, or something. But they have
a gym up there -- a gymnasium and pool -- and we spent a lot
of time there. And then there's always Fortuna, which isn't far,
but if you don't drive ...

SOLITUDE
Kendall Mangrum
Ellen Land-Weber: Has there been a change
in the way Scotia has perceived itself?
Kendall Mangrum: Well, just that we're not
a unique community like we used to be. We're like the rest of
the world. Now it's caught up with us. It's the only way I can
explain it. Five years ago, I never would have thought it would
happen -- the changes, you know.
Ellen Land-Weber: You attribute it primarily
to the takeover, or to ...
Kendall Mangrum: Well, no. Not necessarily
the takeover. I think people were apprehensive about that, but
things haven't changed. We're still working. The workers are
working more. What really started it was the environmental movement
the last couple of years. The workers are fed up. I hope things
don't happen this summer, but I think we're going to have some
bad incidents. When you start interfering with people's livelihood,
you know, it ... I don't know.
Billy and Collyn Dillard
Billy Dillard: PL wants to keep clearcutting.
I'm not for clearcutting at all; I don't agree with the clearcut.
The select cut, I believe, is healthier for the environment itself.
With the clearcut, the rivers suffer from it -- we get a lot
more silt in the river, so the fish have a hard time with it.
I just don't agree with it.
Ellen Land-Weber: I'm just taking an adversary
role, here -- competitively, they have to clearcut, otherwise
timber will cost more.
Billy Dillard: Right.
Ellen Land-Weber: So what do you say to
that?
Billy Dillard: I don't agree with it. I
think a lot of people who work for the company don't agree with
it. ... I don't know a whole lot about forestry and all, but
from what I've heard and what I've seen I just don't agree with
it at all. ... But some people, they want to put a stop to everything.
They want you to stop cutting trees, they want you to stop going
on these roads, they want you to stop fishing, you know? What
are you gonna be doing?
Jeff and Sherrin Ericksen
Jeff Ericksen: I'm against the environmentalists,
because they're trying to take our jobs away. There has to be
a happy medium. I don't want to see them clearcut every tree
we got standing. I wouldn't mind seeing them slow down a bit,
because then we would have a job for that much longer. But if
they keep going at the rate they are, it's like 10 years, 20
at the most. Whereas if they went the other way, slowed it down,
it could last 50, or an eternity, or until the company ceased
to go.
Ellen Land-Weber: When you talk about the
environmentalists ... what kind of confrontations? Has anything
happened right here?
Sherrin Ericksen: We've had them come into
our town a couple of times. Also, us as wives -- we met them
out at Yager Creek. Or did they show up that time?
Jeff Ericksen: A few did.
Sherrin Ericksen: It's just really hard.
I mean, they have their point of view too, but someone needs
to sit down and make a decision. It has to be. There has got
to be a happy medium. They get angry, we get angry, then there's
words on both sides and nobody's happy. I don't think the answer
is shutting down the woods, but I don't think the answer is clearcutting,
either. Somebody's got to make a decision, and whether Mr. Hurwitz
owns all that land or not -- like he says, it's his right if
he wants to go out there and cut it all -- but he has to take
the environment into perspective.
Ellen Land-Weber: Do you think most of your
neighbors feel the same way that you do about this?
Sherrin Ericksen: I think so. Some people
don't want to speak out at all because they're afraid for their
jobs. We don't want to lose our jobs. We want to keep it going.

CODA
Oscar and Polly Dillard
Polly Dillard: It was kind of neat on Church
Street. At Christmas time, everybody on Church Street would decorate
their house. People would put flags up, and it was just beautiful.
We'd drive by and say, "I wish our street would look like
that."
Oscar Dillard: Like on the Fourth of July,
or Labor Day, or Memorial Day, everybody on that street would
have their flags out.
Polly Dillard: Every flag on that street
would be out, and it was absolutely beautiful.

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